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My car is stalling, not starting sometimes, and puking out black smoke. What do I need to do to fix it?

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I’m asking this question about my sisters car, it’s a 1999 Grand Prix GTP, supercharged 3.8L. my step dad has no idea whats wrong with it. The ignition control module was tested, and they said it was fine. It starts fine when it’s cold, but after about 15-20 minutes it will die. We just tested the coil pack/spark plugs after getting it hot, and they all spark. Other symptoms are– when we were testing the spark plugs, when it would start, it would idle really low, and then spike up to about 2k, then drop below 1, almost stall, and then spike back up. My step dad said it has done that before, and does it even with all the spark plug wires are connected, but when cold it runs perfectly fine. When trying to start it, if you push on the gas, it’ll run, but really horribly. It blows a bunch of black smoke… but not when cold. you wouldn’t even know anything was wrong with the car, until you drive it until it gets hot. Also, according to my step dad, the temperature gauge doesn’t move at all. What are some other things we could test? My step dad is in the process of swapping the ignition control module, and coil pack out of a different Grand Prix we have sitting in back. I don’t have any hope that this is what the problem is, so what else could we try?

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The black smoke is the telltale sign of either an O2 sensor that’s bad, or a Mass Air Flow sensor that’s plugged or bad. The temperature gauge not working will also cause havoc, as the sensor for the coolant temperature also helps the computer make decisions on air/fuel ratios, mixture, timing, and more.

Clean the MAF sensor with MAF cleaner, available at any parts store. That may or may not fix the problem, as sometimes the sensor wire inside the MAF gets broken. A new MAF for that car is around $200, and is a common problem in 90′s and early 2000′s GM vehicles. If you’re using an oiled air filter (most “performance” or re-usable filters use a oil to capture dirt), get rid of it and replace it with a standard air filter (the oil in the filter often get on the sensor wire for the MAF, causing it to malfunction. The O2 sensor(s) should be replaced every 50k miles, and I’ll take a guess they’re probably the original one(s). Only use quality O2 sensors (my preference is Bosch), not a cheap or “universal” sensor. Replace the coolant sensor(s) (there may be 2, be safe, replace both), they’re cheap and easy to replace. After replacing the parts, unplug the battery for 10 minutes to reset the computer, reconnect the battery and drive the car like you stole it (the computer learns faster after a good flogging). This should solve the problems after about 50 miles of driving.

By the way, the reason for it running fine when cold but not when warm is due to the ECM (engine computer) – when the coolant is below 160 deg., the computer operates in “closed loop” mode, ignoring all the data from the engine sensors and running on a pre-programmed information table. After reaching temperature, the ECM goes into “open loop” mode, and relies on the information from the (presumably faulty) engine sensors (MAF, MAP, O2, etc…).

Cooling indicator light on all the time, what’s the problem?

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The cooling indicator light is on all the time, but 2 different mechanics say everything checks out, filled fluid levels but light never goes off and car stalls at stop signs. Anyone know what to check?

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Depending on the year and make of the vehicle (assuming it’s 90′s or newer), my first guess would be a faulty Coolant Temperature Sensor. The CTS sends temperature information to the engine management computer, which in turn uses that information to control ignition timing, fuel mixture, and idle, among other things. Many vehicles use one sensor for both the computer and the light on the dashboard.

The CTS is a “user replaceable” part, usually in an easy to reach spot on the engine (consult a Haynes or Chilton manual for your vehicle, most local libraries have them). Most of the time (but not always – depends on the vehicle), the coolant temperature sensor is in the $25 to $50 range at your local auto parts store.

Another possibility is a thermostat that is going bad. Sometimes they will get “stuck” at a certain opening, and work well enough while moving, but not while idling. A cooling fan that is malfunction will have the same effect – the car moving through the air is enough to cool the radiator, but the vehicle starts overheating while sitting still. These are not likely situations though, if the coolant light is on all the time.

Car not starting? NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP PLEASE?

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I have a automatic 92 Plymouth Voyager with a 4 cylinder. One day at an intersection I started to go and it died. It would crank over but wouldn’t start. I realized when I would turn the ignition to on that the check engine light would flash five times and then flash five times again. I also realized when I turned the ignition to on I could no longer hear the fuel pump turn on. So I replaced the fuel pump and fuel pump harness and still nothing. I figured out that when I disconnect the battery for a little bit then plug it back in, the first two times I turn the key to on I hear the fuel pump and the check engine light won’t start flashing. I checked to see if there is any spark from the spark plugs and there wasn’t any.

Any ideas? I was thinkin it’s the computer or a sensor?


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The fact that it died at an intersection, and that the fuel pump seemed to not be getting power, and the check engine light was flashing while turning over, all would lead me to believe either the crank position or cam position sensor has died. Both would also cause a no spark condition. Another possibility, some Chrysler products in that era use a “safety” relay, usually in the underhood fuse panel, to prevent the fuel pump and ignition system from getting power in the event of a crash. Jeep’s (another Chrysler product) of that era had that problem quite often. Usually, replacing the relay will solve all the problems.